How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”)

Bob Moesta, co-creator of the Jobs to Be Done framework, recently published a new book, Job Moves. Drawing from interviews with over 1,000 people about their career transitions, it offers a practical playbook for career development. In our conversation, we discuss: • The four different “quests” that drive career changes • Why job features (salary, title) matter less than experiences • How to identify what gives you energy vs. drains you • The power of taking a “jobcation” • A template for crafting your career story • Tips for hiring and retaining great talent • The importance of prototyping potential careers • Much more — Brought to you by: • Eppo—Run reliable, impactful experiments • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security • OneSchema—Import CSV data 10x faster — Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-find-work-you-love-bob-moesta — Where to find Bob Moesta: • X: https://x.com/bmoesta • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobmoesta/ • Website: https://www.jobmoves.com/ • Podcast: https://pca.st/gg6goo1n — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Bob's background (05:10) Bob’s new book, Job Moves (09:31) Job features vs. job experiences (11:16) Four reasons people leave jobs (17:20) Energy drivers and energy drains (31:05) Prototyping your next job (34:32) Pushes and pulls (40:01) Understanding that no job is perfect (43:18) Taking a jobcation (51:22) Finding the right next step (55:18) Navigating job applications and interviews (58:28) How to craft your career story (01:04:04) Strengths and weaknesses: leveraging your superpowers (01:06:21) Hiring and writing job descriptions (01:11:20) Self-awareness and founding a startup (01:21:24) Conclusion and final thoughts — Referenced: • The ultimate guide to JTBD | Bob Moesta (co-creator of the framework): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-jtbd-bob-moesta • Ethan S. Bernstein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanbernstein/ • National Geographic: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/ • Radical Candor: From theory to practice with author Kim Scott: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/radical-candor-from-theory-to-practice • Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career • The Story Spine (also known as Pixar’s Story Structure): https://www.storyprompt.com/blog/the-story-spine-also-known-as-pixars-story-structure • Tobi Lütke on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tobiaslutke • Job Moves resources: https://www.jobmoves.com/resources • Why Employees Quit: https://hbr.org/2024/11/why-employees-quit — Recommended book: • Job Moves: 9 Steps for Making Progress in Your Career: https://www.amazon.com/Job-Moves-Making-Progress-Career/dp/0063283581 — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe